Get your arse down there tomorrow

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down

*A LIE* - VAT up by 2.5%, council taxes up bay an average of 4% as well as
utilty bill rises of around the same. Prescription and hospital car parking
charges up in England (Scotland and Wales free), private house rents and
charges shooting up in the last 5 years.

Some tax reductions eh!

Post by Tim Streater
Unemployment down

*A LIE* - Done by the huge increase in zero hours jobs, excessive DWP
sanctions at the dole offices and other statistical fiddles - for which IDS
has had his wrists slapped.

Post by Tim Streater
Fuel prices down

*A LIE* - Worldwide oil glut dropped that and *NOT* Osborne - as for the
huge increases in utilitie bills...

Post by Tim Streater
Household bills down

*A LIE* - Most have increased, especially if you lump *ALL* the bills
together - rather than using the Osborne methods of *selective*
calculations,

Post by Tim Streater
Crime down

*A LIE* - All police foces say different to that

Post by Tim Streater
Deficit down

*A LIE* - The CONDems borrowed more in 5 years than ever Labour did in 13
years of power [1] with Cameron and Osborne having their wrists slapped for
fiddling the figures - *AND* Osborne lost this countries triple A credit
rating during his watch.

[1] And in fact, the defict actually dropped by 35% (IIRC) during
Labour's last tenure of office.

To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln:

"The *TORIES* *HAVE" fooled all the people some of the time, and some of the
people all the time, but they cannot fool all the people all the time"

Post by Tim Streater
#VoteConservative

# Yes VoteConservative - the party of *LIARS* *OUT* of office tomorrow by
Voting *Labour* tomorrow.

Whilst a Labour government isn't perfect, at least they try to help the
general population (of around 65,000,000) rather 'stealing' money off them
to give to the minority population of millionaires (around 675,000).

BTW Tim, as you are a supporter of the lying (Tory) party, can you explain
why they deleted their last manifesto and a lot of other incriminating data
from their website about 18 months ago?

Could have been that they didn't want their lies to come back and bite their
collective arses?

Bod

2015-05-07 04:45:39 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down

Post by Tim Streater
Unemployment down

*A LIE* - Done by the huge increase in zero hours jobs, excessive DWP
sanctions at the dole offices and other statistical fiddles - for which IDS
has had his wrists slapped.

Post by Tim Streater
Fuel prices down

*A LIE* - Worldwide oil glut dropped that and *NOT* Osborne - as for the
huge increases in utilitie bills...

Post by Tim Streater
Household bills down

*A LIE* - Most have increased, especially if you lump *ALL* the bills
together - rather than using the Osborne methods of *selective*
calculations,

Post by Tim Streater
Crime down

*A LIE* - All police foces say different to that

Post by Tim Streater
Deficit down

*A LIE* - The CONDems borrowed more in 5 years than ever Labour did in 13
years of power [1] with Cameron and Osborne having their wrists slapped for
fiddling the figures - *AND* Osborne lost this countries triple A credit
rating during his watch.
[1] And in fact, the defict actually dropped by 35% (IIRC) during
Labour's last tenure of office.
"The *TORIES* *HAVE" fooled all the people some of the time, and some of the
people all the time, but they cannot fool all the people all the time"

Post by Tim Streater
#VoteConservative

# Yes VoteConservative - the party of *LIARS* *OUT* of office tomorrow by
Voting *Labour* tomorrow.
Whilst a Labour government isn't perfect, at least they try to help the
general population (of around 65,000,000) rather 'stealing' money off them
to give to the minority population of millionaires (around 675,000).
BTW Tim, as you are a supporter of the lying (Tory) party, can you explain
why they deleted their last manifesto and a lot of other incriminating data
from their website about 18 months ago?
Could have been that they didn't want their lies to come back and bite their
collective arses?

I've become very delusioned by politicians, as have probably most people.
It's hard to trust any of them, that's why I think we need a new broom
and a fresh approach from UKIP to shake it all up and try a different
tack. Shirley they can do no worse.

Brian-Gaff

2015-05-07 06:35:10 UTC

Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country. I just think that nobody can
control things outside their countries and if you think about it, the
electorate, ie us, always try to find a way around things. The gov then has
to use stealth taxes and the inhabitants are smart enough to see these a
mile away in a fog.
So how do you control the masses and keep them competitive. Answer, good
luck nobody manages it very often.

Brian
--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down

*A LIE* - VAT up by 2.5%, council taxes up bay an average of 4% as well as
utilty bill rises of around the same. Prescription and hospital car
parking charges up in England (Scotland and Wales free), private house
rents and charges shooting up in the last 5 years.
Some tax reductions eh!

Post by Tim Streater
Unemployment down

*A LIE* - Done by the huge increase in zero hours jobs, excessive DWP
sanctions at the dole offices and other statistical fiddles - for which
IDS has had his wrists slapped.

Post by Tim Streater
Fuel prices down

*A LIE* - Worldwide oil glut dropped that and *NOT* Osborne - as for the
huge increases in utilitie bills...

Post by Tim Streater
Household bills down

*A LIE* - Most have increased, especially if you lump *ALL* the bills
together - rather than using the Osborne methods of *selective*
calculations,

Post by Tim Streater
Crime down

*A LIE* - All police foces say different to that

Post by Tim Streater
Deficit down

*A LIE* - The CONDems borrowed more in 5 years than ever Labour did in 13
years of power [1] with Cameron and Osborne having their wrists slapped
for fiddling the figures - *AND* Osborne lost this countries triple A
credit rating during his watch.
[1] And in fact, the defict actually dropped by 35% (IIRC) during
Labour's last tenure of office.
"The *TORIES* *HAVE" fooled all the people some of the time, and some of
the people all the time, but they cannot fool all the people all the time"

Post by Tim Streater
#VoteConservative

# Yes VoteConservative - the party of *LIARS* *OUT* of office tomorrow by
Voting *Labour* tomorrow.
Whilst a Labour government isn't perfect, at least they try to help the
general population (of around 65,000,000) rather 'stealing' money off them
to give to the minority population of millionaires (around 675,000).
BTW Tim, as you are a supporter of the lying (Tory) party, can you explain
why they deleted their last manifesto and a lot of other incriminating
data from their website about 18 months ago?
Could have been that they didn't want their lies to come back and bite
their collective arses?

Bod

2015-05-07 06:49:40 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country. I just think that nobody can
control things outside their countries and if you think about it, the
electorate, ie us, always try to find a way around things. The gov then has
to use stealth taxes and the inhabitants are smart enough to see these a
mile away in a fog.
So how do you control the masses and keep them competitive. Answer, good
luck nobody manages it very often.
Brian

There's a lot of truth in that statement.

White Spirit

2015-05-07 14:25:20 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

Bod

2015-05-07 14:31:40 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

No, they just spent too much of our money unwisely and cocked everything
up, that's all.

Ophelia

2015-05-07 14:36:48 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

No, they just spent too much of our money unwisely and cocked everything
up, that's all.

I believe White Spirit is correct! The open door policy was to bring in
untold immigrants who would then vote Labour.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

White Spirit

2015-05-07 15:49:52 UTC

Post by Ophelia

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

No, they just spent too much of our money unwisely and cocked
everything up, that's all.

I believe White Spirit is correct! The open door policy was to bring in
untold immigrants who would then vote Labour.

In addition to voting Labour, the intention was to change the culture
away from 'Conservative' culture and render Nationalism obsolete -
basically a means of attacking opposition for Labour while providing
themselves with a client base.

Ophelia

2015-05-07 16:09:56 UTC

Post by Ophelia

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

No, they just spent too much of our money unwisely and cocked
everything up, that's all.

I believe White Spirit is correct! The open door policy was to bring in
untold immigrants who would then vote Labour.

In addition to voting Labour, the intention was to change the culture away
from 'Conservative' culture and render Nationalism obsolete - basically a
means of attacking opposition for Labour while providing themselves with a
client base.

Yes! They made that quite clear. Multiculturism they call it:( Talking
about integration was 'racist'!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

Bod

2015-05-07 15:54:00 UTC

Post by Ophelia

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

No, they just spent too much of our money unwisely and cocked
everything up, that's all.

I believe White Spirit is correct! The open door policy was to bring in
untold immigrants who would then vote Labour.

Hmm, I suppose that's possible.

Tim Streater

2015-05-08 14:21:26 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Hang on a moment. I do not think for a minute that any of the possible
governments directly try to ruin the country.

I think Labour did with their open door immigration policy. They chose
to change 'the face of Britain' forever.

Such people form part of the dependent clientele, whom they help a bit
so they vote Labour out of gratitude, and bugger the longer term effect
on the country.

--
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English
is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion,
English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious
and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James Nicoll, rasfw

Tim Streater

2015-05-08 14:19:59 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down

*A LIE* - VAT up by 2.5%, council taxes up bay an average of 4%

Not round here, been frozen for 4 years or so.

Post by Let It Be
as well as
utilty bill rises of around the same. Prescription and hospital car parking
charges up in England (Scotland and Wales free), private house rents and
charges shooting up in the last 5 years.

None of these are taxes, get a grip.

Post by Let It Be
Some tax reductions eh!

Post by Tim Streater
Unemployment down

*A LIE* - Done by the huge increase in zero hours jobs, excessive DWP
sanctions at the dole offices and other statistical fiddles - for which IDS
has had his wrists slapped.

Labour councils and MPs are indulgers in zero hours contracts. Besides,
whats wrong with them? All lawyers are on zero hours contracts.

Post by Tim Streater
Fuel prices down

*A LIE* - Worldwide oil glut dropped that and *NOT* Osborne - as for the
huge increases in utilitie bills...

Fuel duty frozen for some years now.

Post by Tim Streater
Household bills down

*A LIE* - Most have increased, especially if you lump *ALL* the bills
together - rather than using the Osborne methods of *selective*
calculations,

All what bills?

Post by Tim Streater
Crime down

*A LIE* - All police foces say different to that

Really?

Post by Tim Streater
Deficit down

This has nothing to do with the deficit - bequeathed to Osborne by Liam
"There's no money left" Byrne - being reduced. This deficit was so
large that it is no surprise that the aggregated borrowing - known as
the National Debt - went up.

Post by Let It Be
"The *TORIES* *HAVE" fooled all the people some of the time, and some of the
people all the time, but they cannot fool all the people all the time"

Well apparently they have.

Post by Let It Be
Whilst a Labour government isn't perfect, at least they try to help the
general population

No, Labour just loves poor people, who they try to *keep* poor so they
have a dependent clientele. Council house tenants come to mind.

Post by Let It Be
(of around 65,000,000) rather 'stealing' money off them
to give to the minority population of millionaires (around 675,000).

Which money is this then?

Post by Let It Be
BTW Tim, as you are a supporter of the lying (Tory) party, can you explain
why they deleted their last manifesto and a lot of other incriminating data
from their website about 18 months ago?
Could have been that they didn't want their lies to come back and bite their
collective arses?

Wine choo ask them? I'm not your unpaid lackey, do your own research.

--
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

Bod

2015-05-07 04:39:59 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

If UKIP wasn't around I would've voted for the Tories.

JNugent

2015-05-07 09:10:20 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

If UKIP wasn't around I would've voted for the Tories..

...but as things are, Labour are going to feel the benefit of your vote.

Bod

2015-05-07 09:43:22 UTC

Post by JNugent

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

If UKIP wasn't around I would've voted for the Tories..

...but as things are, Labour are going to feel the benefit of your vote.

I know, but so be it.

Brian-Gaff

2015-05-07 06:30:45 UTC

Benefits down, suicides up, deaths of the weakest up, discontent up, union
membership up...
grin
Brian
--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative
--
"I love the way that Microsoft follows standards. In much the same manner
as fish follow migrating caribou."
- Paul Tomblin, ASR

Bod

2015-05-07 06:47:52 UTC

Post by Brian-Gaff
Benefits down, suicides up, deaths of the weakest up, discontent up, union
membership up...
grin
Brian

Then vote UKIP! you know it makes sense. :-)

White Spirit

2015-05-07 14:23:44 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

Heheh. Well, I voted Conservative because a protest vote for UKIP would
certainly be wasted in my constituency.

Bod

2015-05-07 14:30:35 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

Heheh. Well, I voted Conservative because a protest vote for UKIP would
certainly be wasted in my constituency.

If all these thousands of voters who keep saying that voting for UKIP
is a wasted vote!
*It wouldn't be if they ALL voted for UKIP*
Vote for who you really believe in.

White Spirit

2015-05-07 15:48:09 UTC

Post by Tim Streater
Taxes down
Unemployment down
Fuel prices down
Household bills down
Crime down
Deficit down
#VoteConservative

Heheh. Well, I voted Conservative because a protest vote for UKIP would
certainly be wasted in my constituency.

If all these thousands of voters who keep saying that voting for UKIP
is a wasted vote!
*It wouldn't be if they ALL voted for UKIP*

It depends on the numbers. I live in what is currently a Lib Dem
stronghold. If it were Labour or Tory then I could see a potential
shift but UKIP have absolutely no presence here. What you're saying is
right in principle but based on what I know of the people here, there
would not be enough support for UKIP even if there were no tactical voting.

Post by Bod
Vote for who you really believe in.

But if that means you end up with the person you really believe least in..?

Bod

2015-05-07 15:57:30 UTC